To be a global citizen shouldn't be a bane of existence. The Euro was a huge mistake. (eye roll as a Brown person). The weather of the UK is the best of anywhere in the world. Thank you for your message. We have less of a poverty divide than such likes as the good old USA, and better transportion than the vast majority of Europe (which I have travelled all over). As i said before the cleaning in the streets and order let it be maintained, makes the city more beautiful and also helps the environment. I am glad you had the courage to leave it all behind and become the fulfilled and happy person you are today. The girls commonly wear clothing which exposes their midriff. Well, let's look closer. What is even sadder is that we (although both British) felt the effects of this. There are so many rolling hills, empty, kept for a handful of sheep. In case you dont know much about Balkan food (clearly you dont), we have kebabs (mici in Romania, cevapi in ex-Yugoslavia countries), spicy vegetable spreads and dips, apple, cherry and pumpkin pies and strudels, sour noodle soups, SEASONINGS (so shocking for British palates I know) such as paprika, chilli sauces, garlic dips, shawarmas (thats another kebab for you), cheesy or jam filled doughnuts, the cabbage rolls you mentioned are filled with meat, rice and spices! The "immigrants who are here to steal the jobs"? Before the big crash in 2008 I felt a sort of charm about the UK that was such a huge part of my identity. I was a covard and I even lied to myself for a good 3 years before that. I'm British born and I'm leaving the UK because of Brexit. The prices are similar across all high-income countries across North Europe. It is used in envy by the lily livered, privileged, pale, besuited bank clerk who sees people dressed up to the nines and going to the West End." It's no. UK is a wonderful country and the best country in the world for people looking for a better life, I live in usa and is not easy here is a tough country but because we are British things are easier for us that is the honest truth but is tough country. Also, if Brexit is such a good idea, why not let Northern Ireland secede and let Scotland have its independence? This post is so timely for us - we're currently approaching the end of our two year contract and are trying to decide whether we move on from Abu Dhabi to travel relatively long-term or whether we commit to another year. We're yet to find ours, and I hope you will find yours, wherever that may be. Countries like Japan are very friendly to tourists, but they would never let foreigners rise to a high level in politics or business. New Zealand is a close second, but the earthquakes and parochialism relegate it for me Im afraid. Sigh. With a crime rate of 123.2 per 1,000 people, West Yorkshire is the most dangerous part of England. Being British born myself I have seen how Britain has changed for the worst over the last decade or so and am now trying to convince my husband for us to move abroad somewhere where we can have hotter weather, more reasonable housing and public transport costs, a salary which accurately reflects the amount of work and education that goes into your job and an overall better lifestyle. Why did we decide to move out of the UK? But there's always hope. less than in any other country in Europe. Utilities 1 month (heating, electricity, gas ) for 2 people in 85m2 flat 154. The food is good in places if you know where to eat. What happens when you publicly turn your back on your neighbors and put them down? My name is Josefa Ubilla, i`m fourteen years old, and i live in Chile. That changed everything. The culture in Britain has moved from brilliant to that of hate, racism and ignorance. I have rights. Leave a comment below. Senility is an ugly condition. This is what British society has lost. But please know that you and your husband are welcome, you are safe, and if our government ever decides to sort themselves out and stop being absolute tools, I hope you come back some day :) But in the meantime have an absolute blast in Portugal, Hungary and wherever else the wind takes you! I'm going to start by saying that it wasn't always like this. HR Recruiters in this country care more that you still got GCSE qualifications than the vast amount of knowledge and experience you've picked up after fucking primary school. I say we keep the Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty and reintroduce forests and wild animals. It's interesting. I tried all sorts of clubs and activities but the sense of community that I longed for was just never there. We called it our long honeymoon. In a few years, it will probably be legal to self-identify as as a cat or dog. I was getting a little agitated reading the political part of this post as it puts anyone who voted brexit into one racist/moronic box. This brings me to the last point, which is safety. I hope you find true peace and happiness. Best wishes for your move. Youve shown me that there is hope. This is not the case in the UK. There weren't any. May I wish you both all the very best with your trip. I also witnessed a significant rise in social tension, not to mention all the things you refer to, such as, very poor housing, extortionate prices and a general lowering living standards across the board. So just try a little bit harder. It took us a long time to really make the move. Can you see what they did there? Cant wait, although I do appreciate that this country and working here has allowed me to be able to afford this move I dont want to continue into old age here! No one worked there who wasn't English. We're thinking of moving away as soon as I've finished my studies for many of the same reasons as the ones you mentioned. Although we need more motorways, there are well-maintained roads in the country. And before you jump to my neck, I am a young professional with a business, whereby I, in theory at least, should benefit from conservative promises the most. All the nurse and doctors to be imported. We've also found that while Mark (who has a british passport) breezes through various application processes for banks etc, I (with a Latvian passport) struggle much, much harder to get approved. Not all immigrants and migrants are equal in their eyes. The one that had the vote or the ones that didnt get the chance? Excellent read! No country or culture is perfect of course, but we always have to ask ourselves what we're willing to put up with and sometimes it's not worth it. Meanwhile, Brexit 2 years on from your article and as you know, is just soul destroying for so many reasons. You should point out it is illegal for Muslims to convert to another religion in the UAE. I am now 51 and after 19 years as a teacher have the last few years become fed up of the British and my way of life. Very nice post! I know some will agree, whilst others won't. It might be because, even not being religious, I come from a Catholic country, but the way the "Alfie Evans Case" was handled by the hospital, media, judges etc. I can understand that it must be a bit difficult to reason with your boyfriend's parents. I'd really like to visite England again, because i think i lacked many things to know and experience in this place, i like England very much and i hope to be back soon. There are myriad of inventors, writers, musicians, bands, rock stars, scientistsAll British! What do you describe in terms of the hate towards foreigners and outright xenophobia you have faced its home to me now in a way I fully understand. However, there are few things which surfaced with this whole Brexit situation. Someone is always in a hurry. Pity really, the UK used to be OK. I lived in the UK for 37 years until 2015 and moved back to Egypt. What you are supporting is an idea that the UK needs to stand alone economically, which is a cute idea yet impossible (because not even you support yourself and need help earning money) -- and you also support vile, and viscous ideas of THE OTHER, of xenophobia, and of racism, and hatred, and UKIP, all of which started talks of Brexit. What a disgusting attitude. Because I am white I could pass for being British or European but I am not. That level of institutionalised class violence and prejudice is not something I want to be associated with. One thing I am sure of though from all the faults of living in italy we are so much happier as a family. In the Balkans we also have pljeskavica or plecavia which is a kebab burger. We actually left two days before the Brexit vote. However, most countries do not want Brits and their drunken, loutish behaviour coupled with a very misplaced sense of importance. Like many new and unexplored places, it needs to be protected from abuse (rise in properly prices, too much tourism and so forth). And, the Americans assisted in WWII yes, however even you can't say if that was the ultimate reason why we ended up victorious in that war. I'm already considering buying an apartment in Tenerife - a true paradise of sunshine (good climate, great food, low cost of living). We were fantasising about walking on a beach somewhere and eating fresh fruits. "Chav hang outs include an old fisherman's shed in the harbour and a derelict caravan in a field near the eastern end of the village. As an ex-Londoner now living in Sydney, I can definitely relate to a lot of this - particularly rental prices in London. I went above and beyond to integrate myself. [3] In Canada, in the province of British Columbia they're known as "Surrey jacks". It all started a few years back when we were walking through the rain on those British rolling hills. You chose to live in Manchester one of the wettest and coldest parts of the UK - and yet most of Europe is colder than Manchester for most of the year. Hi Sandra, I know it's not easy to live in London. We are all ashamed of people like Hector and we wish they would become obsolete. Once I would have thought you were exaggerating. Omg what a nasty angry post..you really do hate yourself don't you? Sadly, the internet is full of these instances so there isn't much point me going through them. "I love the British culture". It's not as simple though that everyone voting leave agrees with Farage and Boris. Hi Brian, thank you for your insightful message. Home is where your heart is. Ive been living/travelling & working abroad for the last five years. This was a great read and it made me think a lot. my visa expires in few weeks (and will get 2 years extension) and i have decided to make a move to EU country on long term residency visa (probably Portugal or Germany), i absolutely felt gutted to see the direction of things going on, wondering what would be the outcome of this Brexit uncertainty. The review reads: "Staines, the very name conjures up a vision of chav-ridden, rubbish . As time went by, things started to change a little. I can't help but share your sentiment. Portugal is fantastic, and Morocco and Albania? If that happened in the UK, there would be an international outcry. I want Britain to get better, because it is my home and I am and love being British. In my own experience though I have found the North to be a lot more racist than the South. I know I am not perfect, but I am trying hard to become better at it. I've held 3 stable jobs since I was 16, and in each on I was the minority. It is nice to hear some positive stories. However, now I want to start my own business and freelance, and I definitely see the benefits of the UK in this regard. Rain makes this country green heaven, which is ideal for keeping those beautiful rolling hills everyone loves. To say its all crap is just completely idiotic. We should celebrate that and so should other countries. I dont think British food even begins to compare, and I actually like some British food. I'm out of here in a few months, heading back home to the sun, soca music, and lovely people, but I'm truly sad for those who have to stay here for whatever reason, being told daily they have faces that don't "fit", and living in fear, and festering in anger over daily dealings with racists. This means that if you have a car, you can get pretty much anywhere around the UK. I live in the UK right now (Scotland), but I'm not a citizen. All thanks to the naive and ignorant older generation. Because why would they?! Then millions on renegotiating deals with countries who don't need the UK. We are now in Portugal and we miss the prices for groceries in the UK BUT with everything, life is still such much cheaper here. Just read her response to Hector to read what a superior and condescending attitude she has. Well, maths and sciences requires thinking and bright individuals. Are we finally getting karma for all the horrific things weve done to other countries? My Mum is a immigrant from the EU & has shared all the experiences you have pointed out, which too makes me rethink the perception of the country Ive always lived in. And everything about th weatheryes, yes, a thousand times yes haha. Argentina sounds amazing. Most ordinary British people outside of the chattering classes in liberal metropolitan London know they are the Jones who can no longer keep up with their richer Aussie Jones cousins or the Singaporean and Hong Kong Tans. If that happened in the UK, there would be an international outcry. Bigoted and biased review based on the views of an immigrant who has disgracefully described most British people as being racist simply because they do not like the organisation called the EU. It doesn't rain disproportionately at all. Build more houses they say but where? I think your article raises some very good points, however, I would add the following. Also your whole comment is actually quite racist. I'm excited for something new and a place that's easier to travel solo in. It's my subjective narrative based on my life story ?! We have plenty of black and Muslim politicians in the UK, and other EU countries have hardly any. If Britain has one problem is that it strives to be so much more than it should. It feels like the majority of the population hate being alive, and the infamous make-do and stiff-upper-lip attitude gets to me. You are laughable, John! They still believe in the purity of Japanese blood and parents discourage mixed marriage. No offence, but millennials tend to romanticise the far left. Lets forget the Europeans for a minute , delusional Brits think as an Indian I must find the UK to be a paradise but I absolutely HATE it. The funny thing is we have recently moved to London (it's been 6 months) and we don't seem to be happy at all. And now since coming out as a trans-woman and trying to live my life the best way I can, I have face nothing but hurdles and hatred since doing so. Below I will explain some of the factors we took into account when we made our decision. Very brave and I can't wait to see what comes next! British values :). And thank you for contributing to British society and taxes :). I think it's hypocritical. I was in Madeira when I saw the results for Brexit. "[19], A BBC TV documentary suggested that chav culture is an evolution of previous working-class youth subcultures associated with particular commercial clothing styles, such as mods, skinheads, and casuals. You see, I actually love the pace in London. Politicians are trying to get rid of the Human Rights (read about it if you don't believe me) and without a flinch, the great British government passed "the most extreme surveillance law in the history of western democracy" (to quote Snowden). Also, the "nicest" areas of the UK are not where the jobs are (Cornwall, Lake District, North Wales etc), whereas in Germany within 1 hour of Munich you're in the Alps, or 1 hour of Frankfurt you're in the middle of wine country. Hi Camila, I too, love Scotland. Would you see a non-ethnic Chinese being the Chancellor of the Exchequer in the CCP in China? 1860. Owning a car doesn't come cheap in the UK, but luckily, the car market in the country is one of the cheapest in Europe. You honestly think Scotland is the best thing about the UK? There are many wonderful things that I love about the British culture and I am glad that I spent a chunk of my childhood there, but there are also many aspects that repel me and that I even find quite appalling. Oh, oh, did you travel the British style too? I've found people angry and bitter, jealous of our "success" so shunning us, mad at the whole world and blaming the new family down the street rather than reflecting on how their own attitudes drive down the areas we live in. Kind Regards. It's also quite scary how a lot of those people, like myself, who were born and bred in the UK, due to racism and mistreatment, clasp their hands in glee as the UK makes wrong decision after wrong decision. This article was first published on the 13th of January 2017 and updated many times since. Every time mum came to visit, she always said how much she loves shopping for food in the UK. A very interesting and substantial read. You wont find any other country that can joke about itself like the Brits. That sums it up. This is sad. "[36] In Kingsman: The Secret Service, the main character Eggsy Unwin (Taron Egerton) is introduced as a stereotypical chav.[37]. It's not cool that you can only wear a skirt for 5 days of sunshine throughout the year (we call that the elusive British heatwave). Why would you think the UK ought to be like Communist Hungry or Caucesescu Romania? Sorry Brandon but I think you are missing the point because Cory is talking about how immigrants are treated . Thatcher, back in the 80s, spearheaded the trend of heavy reliance on spin and marketing to bolster her politics aims. But in reality, I stopped feeling safe in the UK a few months ago, when people started assaulting immigrants in the street. I've yet to witness anti-social behaviour here. In recent years, however, many restaurants focused on British products, and new ways to innovate by using locally sourced, seasonal products. In Ontario (particularly in Toronto), the term is "hoodman", an equivalent of the term "roadman" used in England. I thought I am alone on the Harry Potter thing, and I remember looking for Hogwarts during my Scottish highland tours. Honestly its all in how you phrase it, lovely. The level of racism in Continental European football matches for example is shocking. Nevertheless, UK like other places needs a new vision. So many Britons get worked up & lash out at any/all criticism of the U.K. but I think thats part of the problem - no one is brave enough to address the problems. Stop running it down, we didn't ask you to come here and complain about everything. Answer (1 of 23): An answer to this obviously hugely depends on where (and whether, given we're asking the rest of the UK in this question too) you live/visit in England, and also has to take on the idea of whether or not 'everyone else' finds England depressing. P.S. Dear Rhiannon, thank you for your comment. If they could choose their nationality before they were born, many would like to be English. What about equality between all European nations who wanted to live in a great union? I know the English think they are similar to Australians but how many people (pom ping-pongs, they're called) come back from Australia because they are UNWANTED? I wish you all the luck. That's a lot, isn't it? We need visionaries such as Tony Benn. Since we are freelancers and we are location independent, we realised there are better places more suitable for our current lifestyle. We need more people such as yourself, who realise that indeed, the UK needs immigrants to keep certain parts of the country afloat. People like you make me all the more happier that Leave and Trump won, and you know, those liberal leftie tears are so very sweet! The quality of public and everyday services (telecoms and banking customer services) is poor and overloaded. In general, the climate here is very mild and comfortable, no hurricanes, droughts or deep freezes. The realisation that my expectations of London were all wrong led me into severe depression. I was robbed in broad daylight too on another occasion. See the look on their faces when they realised what that vote actually meant. [17][24] Critics of the term have argued that its users are "neo-snobs",[25] and that its increasing popularity raises questions about how British society deals with social mobility and class.[26]. And since the article is not about this, I'm going to refrain from further comments. Family and good friends are what make life worthwhile. 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I believe moving back to Romania will be beneficial but also is not a easy decision to face . We both naturalised to become British citizens. I grew up in the countryside and fell more and more in love with my country with every passing year. [8], The word in its current pejorative usage is recorded by the Oxford English Dictionary as first used in a Usenet forum in 1998 and first used in a newspaper in 2002. In all honesty, once upon a time, I would have laughed at such article. Yes, also immigrants but expats are self-financing and short stay. They were all British born northern lads from the small towns around the city. There are pros and cons to this. I'm a british born and bred caribbean, I left this country around the age of 19 ad travelled to many places during my youth, portugal, spain, France, Greece, USAalot of places. The main reason is that I see the EU as being an impossible project, led by weak consensus politicians with no grand vision for economic growth. AHEAD of Sweden, Germany or Japan. I asked for proof to see what I spelt wrong and on how many occasions. Then throughout the 00's until present day the fascist tabloids managed take away what we had gained. In the last three years a new filthy vocabulary of social class has emerged in Britain. James, you're saying that it's not as simple as a lot of the press talks about Brexit but I find your opinion full of hypocrisy because you LIVE in Germany, promote your business in Germany, and have the nerve to talk about how the UK is better yet Gloucester has been featured on a popular website dedicated to 'chav towns'. Really interesting read and I wish you both the best of luck in your new nomadic adventure! I had to work lots of overtime to buy food and pay for my transport to work, I was working 65+ hours a week just to survive. I moved back from the UK to India (which is where I am from) 6 years ago after living there for over 10 years. I do hope you visit the UK. 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