Why dont we start then with what will be freshest in mind, which is the the cases that are pending now and from what happened in June of last year. After hed taken a nap, Cindys kidnapper informed her that they were going on a little trip on his plane, but that she shouldnt be alarmed as hed already taken seven other women out to this location. CINDY: Regular Just working boots. So, just the fact that I put myself in this situation, in this character, to go through these emotions and make myself feel all that I felt is an interesting thing psychology-wise. Glenn Flothe, AST. When it was time for Hansen to go to prison, his plea agreement included a request, according to accounts at the time: He would do his time outside Alaska. After hed heard what Cindy had to say, Glenn knew a few things to be true. Sadly in a roundabout way Robert brought upon his own two children the same thing which had traumatized him, his kids were bullied mercilessly for their fathers evil acts. This is a very intense film. Her ability to accurately describe every detail of her ordeal was crucial to establishing her credibility as a witness. Uh, FR: Would it have been during the time when your wife and children were out of. When he reached the Glenn Highway, he kept driving. He was really sweet. See if theres anyone in here that you might recognize. Can you tell me a little about your character and the status of that project? Hansen confessed to authorities that he had killed 17. Im just following my gut, and if its speaking to me, then Im doing it. FLOTHE: How about the glasses? I mean, bills, or did he just give you the change? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. The identity of one of his victims, who was found near Horseshoe lake north of Anchorage has never been established and now her remains are being exhumed. It was plain. Hudgens: Its important for me because its easy for people to make snap judgments about young women in her position. FLOTHE: Where were you going to meet him at Saturday? Daily News reporter Sean Doogan contributed to this story. I think hes such an incredible filmmaker. CINDY: Hey, for a blowjob in the car, hell yeah. The others were never located. FLOTHE: Did he approach you or did you approach him? The killer had been in declining health for the past year, the department said. FLOTHE: There is a kind of lightish scar there on your See how my sights are painted with an orange Laurel Andrews was a reporter for the Anchorage Daily News, Alaska Dispatch News and Alaska Dispatch. FLOTHE: I hope not. So its immoral to make snap judgments about people. "As far as Hansen is concerned, this world is better without him." (laughs) Its a quick little cameo. CINDY: They were a dark brown. A woman accused Hansen of rape in 1971, even as he awaited trial in a separate incident for following a stranger to her Spenard home and trying to kidnap her at gunpoint, according to Anchorage Daily News reports at the time. Time is 8:15. Was it important for you to give the victims a voice in this film? CINDY: Uh huh. And that, um, I was lucky because usually the other ones stayed a week. No matter what her husband did, even after hed been arrested and jailed for rape, she remained by her husbands side. CINDY: Yep. He had rolled the window down and I opened the door and I sat down and I talked to him. They searched his plane, home and car and found he had some items, including jewelry, that had belonged to the women. Employee-owned firm continues pioneering legacy of technical excellence, innovation, and talent growth, Brown and Caldwell engineers share their inspirational stories. Here for the first time are the tape recordings that document that rendezvous. Investigators believe that before killing his victims, Robert would often take them to his cabin in the wilderness in his private jet. FLOTHE: Um hmm. "In his mind there were good girls and bad girls.". How did you approach your portrayal of Cindy? The trooper instinctively knew that the girl had been telling the whole truth, that Robert was his killer, and more women were going to die unless he was quickly stopped. It had never crossed her mind. FLOTHE: If you can move your hand away from your face a little bit I want to make sure we get it on the tape recorder, OK? If youre very sensitive to that sort of thing (I know that much of my audience is ) then you may wish to skip this one. Glenn took what the FBI had said along with Cindys account of what Robert had done to her, and he obtained a search warrant for his suspects dwelling. And he suggested that we could go to his place. By the time hed caught up, Cindy had flagged down a passing motorist; this good samaritan drove the teen to a nearby hotel room, and he promptly notified the Alaskan police. But it would be simple psychopaths are master manipulators and first class liars. The one person who really seemed to have believed Cindy and became determined to stop this killer was a state trooper by the name of Glenn Flothe. With a cut in the back. However, she was never identified and Hansen died last month aged 75, while serving a 461-year sentence in Alaska. FLOTHE: OK. As an act of retribution against the people who he felt had tortured him, Robert talked a young bakery employee into helping him blow up a local school bus barn. All rights reserved. No comments have so far been submitted. I absolutely adore him. Robert thoroughly enjoyed hunting humans; these ladies were savagely murdered with his favorite weapons: a Ruger Mini-14 and a hunting knife. With a wood handle. And he had called me and I slept through it. FLOTHE: Was there anybody with him on Friday? After he was released from prison, Robert decided that he needed to get as far away from Iowa as possible, so he moved near Anchorage, Alaska. Did you know the street name? As of 5:30 Saturday afternoon theres a new article available. Required fields are marked *. In 2007 his multi-billion payoff shorting the overheated U.S. housing market made him a global industry superstar. Kyle Hopkins is special projects editor of the Anchorage Daily News. I wanted her to be like a real human being because its easy to label someone whos stuck in that circumstance. * I would like to talk about Roberts wife, Darla, and their two children for a minute. FLOTHE: About how long did you have contact with him on Friday? FLOTHE: Either he had opened it or it was already open? (pause) CINDY: Im positive. Required fields are marked *. CINDY: I gave him the number at the Big Timber. CINDY: And then up here to where I was starting to get it off. All throughout the mid seventies and even into the eighties Robert carried on with his hobby of abducting and murdering women, and theres no telling how much longer he wouldve lasted had he not decided to attack a 17 year old girl by the name of Cindy Paulson in June of 83. Email khopkins@adn.com. After we get in the garage we gotta go up these stairs. In the film inspired by true events, Hudgens character forms an unlikely partnership with Alaska State Trooper, Sgt. CINDY: No. "I can still see him when he got livid like that," he said. FLOTHE: Would you draw me a diagram of the house and Ill turn the tape off just for a minute while youre doing that. And, uh, I called back to her the next the next day or some oth or day or two afterwards. Black or brown? In this installment, Cindy talks about and proves her observational powers, in this case related to Robert Hansen's house on Old Harbor Road. Let's get it straight: "My wife befriended Cindy for months at all hours of the night and morning without ever meeting her until two days before she was to testify against Hansen. The Special Agent had known that this killer would be into collecting trophies from his victims, that he would have very little self worth, and that hed have a burning hatred for women you know, the usual type thing, but to pinpoint this killers stutter is truly astonishing! FLOTHE: You think if I showed you some pictures of some cars later on you might be able to pick it out? Women were tortured, beaten and assaulted before being blindfolded, with their hands bound behind their backs and told to run. With his death, the full extent of Hansen's deeds, including the true number of his victims, the location of their bodies and the identities of all the women he kidnapped, raped and sometimes hunted like wild game before murdering might never be known. (laughs) Its my monster of sorts. CINDY: Um hmm He used it to stab her in the back, he said. I understand youre in early talks for The Kitchen Sink which has been described as a monster genre mash-up. Ever since I was young, I wanted to be in a role where I could play a prostitute or a drug addict, because its nice to be able to portray someone who is so far from you, which I love. He was a natural leftie, but forced to become right handed. Like a station wagon. And I really, really If there was any chance of me getting away, he wasnt getting away with it. CINDY: He wrote it down on a (inaudible). When will it be released? FLOTHE: Oh and you saw a sign that said Dead End? CINDY (cont. FLOTHE: OK. (inaudible) The horns that were up there, the big ol antler horns, theyre called. You mentioned a minute ago, Cindy, that he wanted you to go home with him, or something, and you didnt want to go home with him, or CINDY: He approached me. As was Hansens wont, he wanted to feel things out. Hudgens: Honestly, its even better than I thought it was going to be. Police soon picked the killer up for questioning, but when it came down to it, a mild mannered baker with a rap sheet was still more believable in the early eighties than a half naked, handcuffed and barefooted teenaged sex worker. Instead he would immediately force her to board his small bush plane, and hed fly her out to a desolate area near Knik River where he would sexually assault her in a little shack which hed occupied there. They look at them in a very specific way. Workers and drug dealers and dancers came and went, many with few ties to the state and no one to notice if they went missing. Cindy I notice that you are visibly upset and have tears and crying. As broad as that seems, its kind of the plan. Glenn Flothe, AST. FLOTHE: Turning the tape off at 8:34 pm. Your email address will not be published. Since his release from the Iowan prison, Robert had been arrested more than once for crimes such as shoplifting, but somewhere around 71 and 72 he was arrested for having sexually assaulted both a sex worker and a housewife by the names of Patricia Roberts and Susan Heppeard. FLOTHE: Make sure you look through the whole book before you decide. CINDY: Um hmm. When he was arrested for the sexual assaults, Robert had claimed to have been an innocent man, and she believed what hed told her; shed had her suspicions that her husband may have been a cheater who possibly enjoyed the company of an escort every once in a while, but a woman killer? So its early in the morning She Gets rescued By an patrol Officer. FLOTHE: And when did you hear from him again? There was this aha moment that there are a lot of people like me within the company. Her eventual getaway was central to Hansen's ultimate capture and confession to the murder of dozens of women. CINDY: It was probably about a 72, cream-colored Datsun, with a kinda station wagon in the back, the kind that you used to It was about a 72 or 73. Lets touch on this serials background for a minute, because thats important when looking at a killer. Daigle, the corrections official, said that as far as she knows Hansen never saw the film. I mean But then also, it was not personal enough that it would come home with me and affect my sleeping. Dont worry. This led to her becoming known by many as 'Horseshoe Harriet' within the state's medical examiner's office. John Paulson. CINDY: Yes, directly. Hansen died around 1:30 a.m. at Alaska Regional Hospital, said Sherrie Daigle, deputy director of administrative services for the Department of Corrections. His alibi - two friends - also admitted they had been lying. In this installment, Cindy talks about being handcuffed by Robert Hansen at gunpoint and identifies his handgun. We must find our commonalities through sharing our experiences, spreading awareness, and caring for one another. Hansen grew up in Iowa, the son of immigrant bakers. Im not correct on the times, OK? CINDY: Yep. The hair on the back of his neck stood up and his neck got red, and he was pissed," Rothschild said in a phone interview Thursday. FLOTHE: I have its kind of a picture book with different types of guns in it, OK. Would you take a look through that picture book and see if you see a gun that might be similar to the one that this man had? FLOTHE: Really dark color. Hansens Den (Alaska State Troopers) FLOTHE: Did you get into his car, or did he just get out or what? There was a bullet hole in the floor. Hansen said she had a knife in her purse. It must also be mentioned that she and the children were constantly insulted and belittled by Robert, and it wouldnt be surprising to learn that he was physically abusive; there may have been some trauma bonding there as well. She had been engaging in sex work. Now, from reading your report apparently you had a pretty good description of the house that you gave the police. FLOTHE: Where did he park the car? FLOTHE: Do you feel that he was going to hurt you? Hudgens: It depended on the scene. And he said well he was gonna start getting his moneys worth. Once theyd arrived Robert left his handcuffed victim in the back seat of his vehicle while he loaded his aircraft as per usual; Cindy waited until her captor was distracted, and when she saw her chance she jumped out of the car and ran for her life! Growing up Robert was scrawny, he had this terrible stutter, and a super bad case of acne; all of this made him the target of bullies everywhere. Buck teeth. CINDY: The garage was opened. Hansens House, Old Harbor Road (copyright Leland E. Hale). We are all the same. BC is creating the space for more diverse thoughts and experiences and bringing better solutions to our clients as a result, she adds. In the early morning of June 13th 1983, (months before the other bodies were found) Cindy Paulson appeared on the side of the road. I actually shot that before I filmed this (The Frozen Ground) interestingly enough. A turning point came in 1983, when a teenage prostitute named Cindy Paulson ran into a Fifth Avenue motel in handcuffs, saying that Hansen had imprisoned her at his home, raped her and put her on his plane for a one-way ride. Eventually Robert did admit to having raped dozens, but would only confess to the murder of 17; he even lead police to the shallow graves of twelve more corpses. The Butcher Baker Minisode. Kidnapped: The True Story of Cindy Paulson, Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. What was it like working with Nicolas Cage and John Cusack? Your email address will not be published. to start my podcast and YouTube channel. (crying) CINDY: Yep. Okay. It turned into a cat and mouse chase. Dont cause no problems and I wont hurt you. 10,285 views Aug 26, 2013 In an up close interview, former Disney sweetheart Vanessa Hudgens shares her admiration towards serial killer Robert Hansen's surviving victim Cindy Paulson .more. CINDY: The Buick car, inside the garage. CINDY: Number five. CINDY: All right. He would abduct the women and take them to remote places outside the city, sometimes driving them and other times he would fly his private plane. CINDY: They look the same. Lemon Creek Superintendent Dan Carothers called it "the bust of the decade" for Alaska prison officials. It was funny though, cause before, when he was getting ready to take me to his cabin, he said that, um, there had been seven other girls before me. But aside from that, he just let me play and take it wherever I wanted. While she was in her element, developing regional client solutions with diversely talented teams, she realized that her clients and many colleagues did not know much about her personal life. The security guard had came up I dont know if I was in the back laying down when he [the security guard] did. Identifying and finding Hansens weapon cache would prove essential to making the murder case against the Butcher, Baker. [Installment Two]. 17-year-old Cindy Paulson ran away from Hansen in 1983 as he was trying to load her into his plane and "take her out to his cabin," presumably a euphemism for the vacant Alaskan wilderness where he gunned down his victims. The serial killer wasnt even on the suspect list anymore, hed been completely cleared. Its by far the craziest transformation Ive had yet. Humans could have wings, tentacles or an extra ARM 'in the next few decades' thanks to leaps in human DIY fruit and veg! [Installment Three]. He takes me up the stairs to the garage, I mean, to the house. CINDY: Uh huh. Have you heard anything about a sequel to Journey 2 The Mysterious Island? Cindy Paulson was Neighborhood All-Star on July 14. CINDY: Up to the house. Being authentic creates the space for diversity of thought and means drawing on experiences that fall outside the box. (inaudible) FLOTHE: So, youre in the car and he pulls a gun out and he handcuffs you. FLOTHE: What kind of boots? CINDY: Yeah. I play Cereza which means Cherry in Spanish which says a lot about the character. CINDY: A police officer at the Sixth Avenue police department. And he fuckin had a tan or an Army green tan coat or Army green And boots. We all have the same needs. And if Im not mistaken I think he had a green or a light t-shirt underneath it. Its important, too, for people to see that it only takes one person to have faith in you, to care about you, to make you feel changed. Robert had been in the habit of keeping a souvenir from most of his hunting sessions, whether it be wild game or women. CINDY: OK. Sometime between 71 to 73 Robert began to murder young women. She gave me an extremely solid foundation and told me her earliest memories that she had until where she is to this day. "He will not be missed," said Frank Rothschild, the assistant district attorney who tried the case. Thats what it takes for teams to bring their best selves to work every day.. Its another fun, more light-hearted character that the audiences have never seen me do before. CINDY: Um hmm. FLOTHE: Youre pointing at Figure Number 21. FLOTHE: OK. And when he pulled up, did you just go get in the car, or did you talk to him Vanessa Hudgens turns in a surprisingly raw and emotionally powerful performance in Scott Walkers suspenseful thriller, The Frozen Ground, as 17-year-old street hooker Cindy Paulson, one of the few victims that managed to escape Alaskas most notorious serial killer, Robert Hansen (John Cusack). Order my latest book, What Happened In Craig, HERE and HERE, true crime on Epicenter Press about Alaskas Worst Unsolved Mass Murder. About four stairs to get into the house. And he contacts you. And hes about five six, weighs about 170 pounds. * I strive to be as concise as possible when it comes to facts as theres no telling what an article may be used for. FLOTHE: So he takes you to the house. Investigators are certain that number 17 is small it is thought that Roberts body count is really in the thirties. FLOTHE: When you got into the car, and you were giving him a head job, is that when he pulled out the gun? CINDY: Yep. Though Cindy was able to describe her attacker and his home in great detail, it didnt make any difference. FLOTHE: And about what time was that? Hudgens: I think that theyre doing one. FLOTHE: Was it this one here is called like a checkered grip. But that's not the only discrepancy, another Hansen victim, DeLynn Frey, reportedly also was found near the same lake on the same day, but Mr Hoage said Frey was found near another lake in 1985. "He's one of those kind of guys that you kind of hope every breath he takes in his life, there's some pain associated with it, because he caused such pain," Rothschild said. Interesting stuff. He joined the ADN in 2004 and was also an editor and investigative reporter at KTUU-TV. But when Cindy reached out to the police, they believed Hansen's story, which was again backed up by his powerful friends. FLOTHE: When did he tell you this? And Ill give you one guess as to who fit the bill perfectly! FLOTHE: Number five. FLOTHE: Tapes turned back on. This is Installment Four of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. Episode 7: The Frozen Ground. CINDY: I could say the time but it may not be the correct one. FLOTHE: Like a station wagon? Kids in England had to wear masks at school because No10 'didn't want an argument' with Nicola Sturgeon - Health ministers knew there was no evidence to justify making kids abide by rule of 6 - but No10 'didn't Matt Hancock branded teaching unions 'absolute a**es' in leaked WhatsApp messages with then-education Holiday home owners in Scotland face new SNP tax hike under plans from front-runner to be new First Scotland should just self-identify as an independent country, one SNP member proposed. FLOTHE: Like this? Can you describe that again to me, Cindy? Over the last 30 years, Cindy has facilitated more than 100 successful workshops/work sessions, including a dozen all-day . 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