At the end of one game, the Helm arrives. What actually tells you to read entry 206? Figure 2-1: The rooms are familiar, but the layout is never quite the same; maybe were just confusing by the winding corridors? Certain cards are destroyed or temporarily taken out of the game. There just wasnt enough Legacy at the start: it took until our fourth game for us to feel like a Legacy item was effective and to get elements like the helm and the changing house. The introduction of NPCs (non player characters) are another fun addition to the game. Did you like the same ones as me or were there others that really stood out to you? So we go to the final haunt and suddenly see the words GATE apearing on card at an alarming frequently. We want to push on and play chapter 13 but will it not work for some reason because of elements we would have destroyed or something? More attacks means that the foe can do more damage. I enjoyed the game, but havent gotten to a place where Im ready to buy a second copy and go back into that house. The #1 Reddit source for news, information, and discussion about modern board games and board game culture. Co-op:The co-op rules have also been getting more complex, and this time we non-traitors have a three-part process: (step i) find and memorize runes; (step ii) make a crib for an evil baby; and (step iii) kill the evil baby. Betrayal Legacy: Chapter 8 Major Spoilers Ahead! We split up trying to solve runes while at the same time keeping our big Knowledge guy in the background to make the crib. It was so fast and so brutal how the game and the Helm turned on us. Several of the weapons had a condition, when you kill someone with this weapon check a box. Once youve completed the game youll have removed a number of cards from the decks as well as added many new ones. Its not a surprise that its in the game, a flap for the package overlaps a section of the insert letting you know its in the bottom of the box. Asmallbit of additional Legacy was introduced in this second game because the game (theoretically) could be won by either the traitor or the cooperators. It was an amazing move. This post contains Hints & Tips for someone who has played up to Game 2 and is preparing to play Game 3. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Learn how your comment data is processed. The major bit of Legacy in this Chapter is that we get a whole new major mechanic. Take a second to support Shannon Appelcline on Patreon! Dom - Eva 42 (yellow) - wife of Marius (Medical Practicioner) Darren - Pete 71 (green) - Uncle of Flossie (Experimentalist) Joe - Meghann 15 (blue) - cousin of Malachi (Savage) Brendan - Karen 31 (red) - sister of Janet (Investigator) Paul - Uriah 54 (purple)* - son of Boris (Gambler) What were your favorite reveals from this game? Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Figure 4-2: We always remember the previous Omen cards, but the rest of the decks have almost no Legacy meaning to us. The "traitor" in the Betrayals is a player who's suddenly selected to become an openly evil player halfway through the game. First, players must recover reagents in the form of curses and items from the Otherworlds; then they must STUDY them; then they must PREPARE an antidote. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. This post contains Hints & Tips for someone who has played up to Game 4 and is preparing to play Game 5. This is one in a series of posts regarding the board game Betrayal Legacy. If other people who have finished can point out something we may have missed, or possibly a WoG or errata related to these, it would be much appreciated. The history you tell is one you create. My niece would still like to play through it and Im considering it still. This will create particular areas in our house that are haunted. While it's tough to talk about Betrayal Legacy without spoiling anything, I can say how my friends and I reacted while playing. This was a great bit of Legacy because it felt like it permanently changed the house in a way that nothing else did before. There were two more interactive Legacy mechanics. That stickered-over tile, The Chasm, is an entrance to the Otherworlds, which appear as 28 new cards that we add to our box. The insanely climactic finale wouldn't be believable had it been scripted. Figure 5-1: The Basement got plenty of attention this time. Also that they let the first person to die know that there wasnt a witch just in case people were confused was so nice. It will contain **Spoilers up to and including Game 2**. You can only Heirloom a maximum of 9 Items during the Campaign. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. However, it looks to me like they are all just flavor text and nothing changes for any of them. We did encounter a few rules snags while playing, but if you just go with the story and as a group decide on what sounds the most fun and fair way to figure out the problem, you'll be fine. SPOILER Questions about ending of Betrayal Legacy (spoiler alert!) Overall, we have a good time early in this game, again because of the increased length of the early game, but the fight-focused Haunt feels a bit rudimentary. The core gameplay features are all the same, and while some changes to rules do iron out issues found in Betrayal, each game is largely a similar experience. I designed this as an altar to hold the Helm, such that its magnificence can be properly beheld by all in attendance. Its probably not giving too much away to say that generic man/woman icons are used for a reason, as there will be new NPCs throughout the campaign. We now need to discover which one is the cult leader (step i) before killing them (step ii). Legacy games are designed to be played multiple times as each game can alter the experience for the next one. Browse . I'm worried there may be other instructions that we may have missed. Legacy: Yes, we continue to recognize cards and tiles. And Betrayal Legacywas just more of the same. The more mechanical Legacy elements didnt impact our play much. Figure P-2: By design, the action was all outside. Theyre also integral to the third Haunt, which (thankfully) adds a second level of complexity to the cooperative play. Betrayal Legacy is now available wherever board games are sold. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Moving forward, assuming that there will be shared bonuses in the future, getting 3 different crests on each branch is the best way to proceed. This was easy to figure out we just didnt realize when it would happen. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pocket (Opens in new window), Click to share on Telegram (Opens in new window), Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window), Click to share on Skype (Opens in new window). Wed suddenly become the lost souls in the middle of the night seeking shelter. Though the distribution of ghosts probably affected our play, it wasnt very overt. So ourBetrayal Legacyplay ends here, alas. This level of complexity is nice because it increases the possibilities for strategic play, allowing for some asymmetric cooperation. This immediately led us to an outcome-based Legacy that was more meaningful than the cards that weve been adding to the deck based on previous results:the Guest Room where our killing occurred got replaced with a Bloody Room. 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In the prologue, we explored the House for the first time, then when a Chalice of Insanity was uncovered, we all tried to kill each other under the (false) theory that we were cooperating to kill a hidden traitor. When we get to the Haunt its again tactical combat. The Omen cards are the most familiar, but thats our main continuity. The arrival of the Helm. Honestly, its not the most interesting storyline, but the gameplay makes up for it. In other words, its totally on us. And this is going to be it, because weve decided that seven sessions is enough, for reasons that Ill talk about toward the end. We just chanted "helmmmm" this time, but discussed Baby Shark and Highway to Helm. SPOILER Betrayal: Legacy SPOILERS we missed a key part but don't know where *SPOILER* . The traitor wins again. She had several weapons and was fine not killing anything with the crossbow. Sure, over the course of the game we see a few Legacy items, but they again never get to the right people. And please note that I'm not limiting the discussion to board games. This ensures players will have the tiles needed to finish each mission, and helps tell each mission's story and add to the worldbuilding. We do, he does, and the good guys win for the first time ever. How many stickers should each player have on the helm when you're finished with setup and actually start playing chapter 3? When we started playing Betrayal Legacy last year, I decided to chronicle the entire adventure, to detail how the game has changed over time, and how its co-op and Legacy elements worked. One of the joys of a Legacy game is seeing how it changes over time. Meanwhile, we also knew the house and thus were aware of things like there was an Omen space in the Outside and that the last Ground Floor tile was going to reveal a secret door. The second set of miniatures. We do. That said, once you complete the campaign, your copy of Betrayal Legacy can be played infinitely in "Free Play" mode. Now it (barely) fits within the build volume of an Ender 3. You could have one person say baby shark and then everyone else could answer with do do doodoo all in monotone like you did before. This time around theres some bloody doll thats trying to do some blood ritual to become all powerful, or something like that. Thats because theres no way to provide help in the Otherworlds, and once the resources are recovered, theyre mostly in the form of curses that cant be traded away. * Betrayal at House on the Hill (2004) and its derivatives uses the word traitor for their evil players, but its not a traitor as we define it in Meeples Together. This allows some strategic work, as some players are fighting, some are dragging, and some are magically moving. So I know you can put your family crest on the helm for a reroll, but . Killing three people with the Crossbow. If youd ask me to list everything I expected to do while playing Betrayal Legacy I dont think I would have guessed opening portals to other worlds. Youre in the house from the original game. The example is playable. It really was that much fun. and our Alternatively I think something along the lines of having a couple people chanting I am the key master while others chant I am the gatekeeper. So, players are strategically cooperating, but theres very little of the more interesting tactics which occasionally appeared on the peripheries of previous adventures. ButBetrayal Legacydidnt. Well probably find the new additions from this game even more memorable, because there are a few mirror-related events as well as a tile that actually gets stickered over(!). Figure 3-1: Its pretty cool that the increasing number of tiles and omens is leading to larger houses in these later eras; but for once, the Hearth is on the wrong side of the hall! But it still feels a lot more one dimensional. Designer: Rob DaviauArtists: Scott Okumura, Ben OliverPublisher: Avalon HillPlayers: 3-5Time: 45-90 minutes per gameTimes Played: The entire campaign plus several post-campaign haunts Betrayal Legacy is the greatest game ever published. So, the Otherworlds could have been the best of the best. The problem is that theyre very punishing, often causing damage, often pushing the players ever onward, hoping to avoid the worst. This has been an interesting addition, and its ability is explained during the set up for Game 3. No finality, no wrapping up the overaching narrative of "Him", just done? For more information, please see our But inBetrayal Legacy, all players can do is choose whether to mark Legacy items (which they do if they can) and whether to win or lose (but thats scarcely achoice). I still dont know what happened to any of them. I completed this campaign over a year ago and I still remember it with a fondness. Will Betrayal Legacy match our love of the classic horror? Efficient. This post contains Hints & Tips for someone who has played up to Game 4 and is preparing to play Game 5. All Boardgames Categories Artists Publishers Honors Gone Cardboard Recent Additions Previews . However the ramp-up of the cooperation may have been more problematic, as we moved through: (p) no cooperation; (1) tactical fighting; (2) minimal strategic cooperation; and (3) multi-stage strategic cooperation. Co-op: We do something we havent before: we actually cooperate a bit before the Haunt, primarily using a special skill that allows us to somewhat select the house tiles coming up. The way the haunt endscouldbe used to as a Legacy element in future games, but that doesnt occur in the Prologue because its a total railroad, which means theres only one way for it to end. Certainly, the addition of any new rules system is to a Legacy games benefit and the addition of new places to explore even moreso. These are the ten things that really stuck with me when we finished. Part of that was learning the story elements that will return in future games, including the rooms that make up the house (and its grounds), as well as items. It has to have been mentioned during the final scenario as several of the cards reference the Mundane Elevator specifically so it can't have transformed before that. Tabletop and card game design. The traitor in the Betrayals is a player whos suddenly selected to become an openly evil player halfway through the game. The ghosts increasingly haunting the house possess the furniture this session, and we have to burn it in a fire before it kills us. Mind you,Betrayal Legacysuffers somewhat from the lack of task stabilization discussed on page 88 ofMeeples Together: every time someone attacks a foe, the foe gets an opportunity to attack them back. I know we're being dumb. This left us with nopracticalway to cooperate, because no one could do much against the axe murderer. Event Cards #8. Let us know your thoughts in the comments section below, but please keep them spoiler-free for everyone else. As we discovered, this results indifferent cards being added to decks (for future play) depending on who won this particular game. At the end of one game, the Helm arrives. Ending: Entries 203-205 are all obviously the different endings to the campaign. But wed thought that the Legacy elements of the game would help it to rise above those elements, with a long-term campaign offering the opportunity to both offset randomness and to create the longer stories that we sometimes felt denied in the originalBetrayal. Cookie Notice Speaking of which. We come under attack from a disease, which sends us search the Otherworlds, because thats the new mechanic. Join Quests and Chaos as they Learn how to play through the board game Betrayal Legacy by Rob Daviau, and released by Avalon Hill of Wizards of the Coast. Playing the same board game with the same group of players over a dozen times doesn't sound like the best way to spend multiple nights . One other new bit of Legacy showed up in this fourth game:we learned more about the weird helm that we got at the end of Chapter Two. So somewhere after Haunt 6, something should have told us to open door 3 in the folio infernum and get access to, and start placing gate stickers? Nonetheless, this article uses the word traitor because thats what Betrayal does. That we talked about how none of us might be a witch, but also how thats exactly what the witch would say. Its what wed call an overlord (like the oppositional player in games like Descent or Mansions of Madness 1e), not a proper traitor (like the oppositional player in Shadows over Camelot and Battlestar Galactica). Folio Infernum: I feel like we HAVE to have missed this. Im used to their being stuff under the insert in Legacy games. 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